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onlinepersona@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

That’s a cop out. If you make no effort, then of course nothing will change. You can look for brands that try to be ethical like FairPhone or Fair Trade brands. If all you do keep buying from the biggest, baddest brands out there, well, you’re part of the problem. They wouldn’t be rich without people like you.

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novibe@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
There are no “good” brands under capitalism. The issue is not of the moral failing of individual companies. We can’t solve the issues of capitalism by “consuming” right.

You think fairphone has no slave-labour rare-earth metals in them?

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- onlinepersona@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Riddle me this: can flawed being create a perfect system?
  
  Also, is your “solution” to living in an evil, capitalistic society being a consumer of the biggest capitalistic brands?
  
  You think fairphone have no slave-labour rare-earth metals in them?
  
  Everything is black and white? There’s no in-between? Fairphone is thus as bad as Apple?
  
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  - novibe@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    It doesn’t matter if they are “bad” or not bro. The issue is the system. Even in a perfect capitalist world where all companies were “fair”something, we would still be destroying the planet with climate change and exploiting the labour of people in the third-world.
    
    And who cares about “perfect”? I only care about meaningful change that helps not destroy the planet. Buying a fairphone is not it.
    
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    onlinepersona@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    The only thing that will help is a fucking revolution. So the BEST thing any of us can do is to radicalise those around us and organize.
    
    First you need to know what kind of a system you’d want. Second, revolution is a big big goal. Small steps.
    
    I only care about meaningful change that helps not destroy the planet. Buying a fairphone is not it.
    
    And buying Apple is? Fairphone is trying to do something good. Their entire goal is to try to do good. Apple is just out here making fat stacks with “good” being more stacks. They pretend they’re pro-privacy, pro-climate, pro-whatever, but it’s all bullshit.
    
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    moomoomoo309@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I think that is a useless mental model. It doesn’t help you make decisions except those that lead to revolution. The person you’re replying to is trying to point that out. If I want to buy a phone, which should I buy? Your rhetoric says “whichever one will lead to revolution”, which really isn’t helpful.
    
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