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• cass1312@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I mean in general gender-neutral bathrooms are a lot better due to non-binary people existing (and also are just more private and better in general), but its not super feasable to be able to just replace every public bathroom in the US with them at once. It also doesn’t necessarily address the issue of people not believing trans peoe are actually their gender (and sex too, the whole “gender is fluid, sex is unchangeable” thing is not really true and is a big part of the issue imo. It’s really the reason that “sex segregation” for sports or women’s spaces feels like something some liberals not educated on trans issues are tricked into believing is reasonable due to that notion being widespread.) That last part is a bit of a tangent, but gender neutral restrooms do feel like they’re partially just trying to dodge addressing the societal transphobia around this one specific topic rather than actuallt addressing it as the root cause.

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  • Darcranium@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I understand that MtF athletes are exceedingly rare and certainly not an issue worth platforming an entire campaign on (right or left). I identify as a progressive and want to focus on wealth redistribution, green energy, healthcare, and election reform. Can we just say that MtF athletes should complete with cis males or other trans athletes and be done with it? Otherwise we are going to be very divided as a country about something that only affects 1 percent of the population.

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    • cass1312@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Sports are a wedge issue used to open the door to further eroding trans rights is the issue, it’s not something you can compromise on. The reason sports are even something people even have a problem with is due to the fact that most cis people don’t see sex as mutable or trans people as changing their sex, which is the argument behind sports bans, bathroom bans, and other “single sex” spaces like women’s shelters or hospital wards. Any of those spaces banning trans people provably leads to more assaults/rapes, or otherwise materially harms trans people. And even if it somehow didn’t do that, from a moral standpoint it is still discrimination.

      A minority being a minority of the population isn’t a reason to ignore those issues, and doing so just opens the door to more discrimination and repression of other groups as well.

      All those other issues you listed are also important, but being willing to throw trans people under the bus doesn’t help you accomplish them, all it does it hurt trans people. El-sayed, Mamdani, and a bunch of the progressives that have won recently have done so without needing to abandon trans people, and are better off because of it. If you’re willing to sacrifice a minority’s rights to get elected, all it does is show that you don’t have actual principles and makes me believe you’d abandon other causes you otherwise claim to champion the moment it becomes politically inconvenient. And that goes for any minority, not just trans people.

      Also, its worth noting that trans women are women, and that includes physically for stuff like sports. Almost every study done on the topic shows that a trans woman athlete has no statistical advantage over a cis woman one.

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      • Darcranium@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Thank you for the well thought out response. I would love to see the studies about trans women athletes having no statistical advantage over cis women if you have them handy. I just want to learn, but unfortunately most people come into these arguments with just disgust and phobia, and I don’t think we should be picking a battle with them at this time. I think that’s a time for when we’ve resolved the issue of the electoral college and restored a true vote for all. If I were trans, I would like to think my vote counting, the climate, or fair pay would be more important to me than playing sports

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