The countries where “Kurdistan” would be “belongs” to intact, functioning sovereign nations, who all between each other agree to the current borders.
most of those countries were also french or british colonial territories
it_depends_man@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Historic stuff.
Palestine was a country, or a region/territory administrated by the British. The formation of Israel was a bit of a historic coincidence, the empire was beaten by WW2 and scoping down and giving independence because the colonial stuff couldn’t be maintained any longer.
The situation with the europen jews was problematic, because even though Nazi Germany was defeated, the prejudices against jews weren’t removed by snapping your fingers and the question of where the millions of victims should go and live was open. Putting them into Palestine and creating Israel was a convenient alignment of both the political opportunity and the public opinion of people who wanted the jews gone and the jews who wanted to leave and live in Israel instead.
You may notice that the one group that wasn’t asked in this situation was the population of Palestine.
That’s sort of the short version of how Israel came to be.
The situation with the Kurds is completely different. They have no real external political support. The countries where “Kurdistan” would be “belongs” to intact, functioning sovereign nations, who all between each other agree to the current borders. And who all can field the military and governmental power to enforce that claim, both externally, but also internally. Because of how international territorial disputes are resolved, this is a “solved problem” diplomatically and internationally.
Kurds who are pro Kurdistan and… well, armed, are treated as rebels against the government. And other governments also don’t like rebels in their countries, so the question of how legitimate the claim is, doesn’t even get debated on that level.
ajikeshi@lemmy.world 2 days ago
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 days ago
Your paragraph about the formation of Israel is mostly popular myth. Most of the Jews who were there for the founding of Israel were already there by WWII (mostly but not entirely from Eastern Europe), and from there the really big infusion was from the Middle East. A lot of holocaust I survivors did go to Israel, but they weren't "put" there and it remained illegal under the British mandate. Zionist colonization of Palestine starts in the late 19th century and really gets going after Britain wins WWI; WWII was important insofar as it exhausted the British Empire and paved the way for decolonization, but it didn't result in a massive infusion of new people. Now there was some collaboration between Zionists and European anti-Semites along the lines you mentioned, but most of that started in the interwar period (interwar Poland being the big example, having armes and trained Jewish militias specifically so it could put its Jews in Palestine).