This discussion is not only for today’s participants. I also speak to the lurkers. I believe that this fad of hating AI will pass. That over time the benefits will become obvious.
I also do not conflate AI with the capitalism surrounding it. Just like the industrial revolution brought forth great progress through greed and social malfeasance, this revolution is also a messy birth. But no one can dispute the benefits that came when horse power was replaced with horsepower. In the end, this will be the same.
In the meanwhile, we can hold the industry to high standards. Sound levels. Water usage. Energy consumption. My company supports setting standards on all these. That would produce a level field as we already do it volunterally. I’m all for suing bad actors into bankruptcy. Using on-site gas turbines for primary power is a crime against humanity. As is draining the water supply for cooling.
III@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Cool, you invaded the privacy of numerous people using AI… you must be proud.
The issue isn’t that AI brings no value - it is the cost of that value. And many people aren’t falling for the extremely overrated value that companies are claiming. Promised value coming from people who have a very long track record of not being truthful, lying for their own profit no matter who it harms. And then there are some who would rather not ruin the environment for those unfulfilled promises.
But sure, throw an anecdote out to prove everyone else wrong.
Xaphanos@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Altman and Musk are verified shit. This is common knowledge all across the industry.
Public companies don’t set their value - shareholders do. Insiders know the value hasn’t arrived yet. We build because customers pay us to build. The customer fronts the construction costs based on the signed contract. Investors buy or sell based on public knowledge.
sbrodolino_21@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Nobody’s privacy was violated. Privacy laws are very strict in Italy and before any research is done on health data you have to sign and tick the box to specifically allow it. The data was also not handed to any company as the research was run by a local university.
How was anybody’s privacy violated? Also I didn’t do anything given that I just read this on a newspaper and am not in any way connected to the hospital.
You are judgmental and ignorant. You think, as many other people here on lemmy, that you are right about everything all the time. I don’t deny that the AI industry has very big flaws. I fully agree and I believe that in the long term we will need public ownership of AI companies. I just disagree with the fact that AI is wholly bad and brings 0 positives.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 2 weeks ago
Public ownership will happen, the moment the nation states are implementing a fully autonomous police state, and in extension using AI for automation of the military kill chain - for external AND internal threats.
I hate the fact that this technology also has good sides, because they are used to steer us all into a fucking nightmare.
sbrodolino_21@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Imagine if people said the same when telegraphs were invented, or phones, or the internet, …
All these technologies provide police state material, and non-democratic states do become police states (China, Russia, Iran, …). But there also democratic states that despite using these technologies are not police states.
The struggle for freedom is a political issue that has been there since the beginning of times and will continue to be there. It’s politics, AI won’t change this.