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TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

Perhaps the higher employment rate of 50+ is just based on them already having a job and keeping it.

Yes, that is one of the things I spoke about. That age bracket has experienced the most stable economy America has ever had and has thus experienced relatively low levels of unemployment.

What you want to look at is at people who are looking for a job.

That is the unemployment rate. Which they are the lowest bracket in.

Are 50+ year olds getting hired at lower rates than younger cohorts?

I haven’t seen any evidence to support that?

eeoc.gov/chart-data-older-american-worker-age-dis…

Let’s actually examine the statistics they are utilizing.

Chart 1: Older Workers Represent less than 5 Percent of New Hires in Most Establishments

Makes sense, they have the lowest unemployment rate, meaning they are searching for jobs less often.

The Older the Workers’ Age Group, the Lower the Level of Education

Also makes sense… Older generations did not have to achieve as high of an education to remain competitive.

A Third of Private Pension Plans Exclude Workers Hired at Age 55 and Over Half at Age 60

That’s how pensions work…? Most people at age 55 and older are going to rollover their 401k into a IRA as most 401k require a set amount of time until they become vetted.

Long-Term Unemployment Falls More Heavily on the Older Worker

Yeah, makes sense. Older more experienced workers are able to hold out longer to find a job that matches their experience levels and pay expectations.

None of these statistics substantiate the claim that older people are being discriminated against.

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schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Okedoke. Try dodging this one, Neo.

I study hiring age discrimination under two different hiring procedures. In one, age is revealed simultaneously with other applicant information, and the job offer rates are much lower for older than for younger job applicants. In the second, interview selections are based on detailed, age-blind online applications, while subsequent interviews are not age-blind. In this case, older applicants are not underselected for interviews, but face a lower job offer rate after in-person interviews. The combined evidence is consistent with age discrimination. The smaller age difference in job offer rates under the second hiring procedure suggests that “blinding” part of the selection process may reduce discrimination.

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- TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  I would have to actually have access to the methodology of the experiment and their sample population and size to make an educated critique. There are a lot of different variables that could be at play.
  
  I’m not trying to claim that age discrimination does not happen, just that whatever discrimination exists is not reflected by the available unemployment data.
  
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  - schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    It’s enough of an issue that there’s a law against it and a lot of people say it happens. Either there’s a very complex situation that leads researchers, legislators and job seekers to say that ageism exists, or, you know, it just does actually exists.
    
    Occam’s Razor would tend to point to the latter.
    
    I suggest if you are going to go against the prevailing winds of evidence, you find some studies that shows that age discrimination in employment does NOT exist.
    
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    MasterBlaster@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    stop engging. he’s not interested in it. he is just arguing to get a rise. we have dropped enough evidence here for other people to see the truth if they care to look.
    
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    TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    It’s enough of an issue that there’s a law against it and a lot of people say it happens.
    
    A law that was passed in 1967… When the largest voting block in history was starting to reach the age they wanted to protect.
    
    I don’t doubt that it happens, I’m sure older people face a lot of challenges in the work place. I just don’t think that the data we currently have substantiates the claim that they are less hireable. Even if there was evidence to support that it would be hard to prove if they were discriminated against because of their actual age, or if it is because companies want to exploit young workers for less pay than a more experienced candidate would require.
    
    researchers, legislators and job seekers to say that ageism exists
    
    Or… There are biases and alterior motivations that lead them to make those claims.
    
    suggest if you are going to go against the prevailing winds of evidence, you find some studies that shows that age discrimination in employment does NOT exist.
    
    Ah yes, Prove something doesnt exist. I’ll do that right after I prove God doesn’t exist…that’s not how science works my guy.
    
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  - MasterBlaster@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    yeah… you are not seriously engging in search of truth. you are trolling. you will continue to find fult with every study, statistic or fact finding while holding fast to your own conclusions with a vice grip.
    
    I’ll leave these here in case you decide to read them. i won’t wait. bye!
    
    …asaging.org/older-workers-50-year-high-unemploym…
    
    crr.bc.edu/unemployed-and-over-50-need-help/
    
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    TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    
    yeah… you are not seriously engging in search of truth. you are trolling.
    
    Just because I don’t agree with you means I am trolling?
    
    you will continue to find fault with every study, statistic or fact finding
    
    The statistics you have posted to support your argument were very easy to criticize. Are my rebuttals incorrect, am I trying to be dishonest, or do you just not agree with me?
    
    …asaging.org/older-workers-50-year-high-unemploym…
    
    Again, this is a study conducted by a lobbying group for older people. Besides that this is an extremely short term study that’s evaluating a 6 month period after a pandemic, and there has since been a recovery to the unemployment of older workers. They were dismissed more often because they were the largest earners and the companies were scrambling to cut cost.
    
    crr.bc.edu/unemployed-and-over-50-need-help/
    
    Again… A lobbying group for retirement aged workers. One that at least leaves the question open and doesn’t make an absolute claim that ageism is the reason. “Some of the explanation for the difference is that older people are less malleable – they are fully formed human beings with a specific skill set – and more difficult to fit into existing slots. Another part of the explanation may be age discrimination. Employers worry whether older people can learn new skills and they are not sure how long they will stay. Age discrimination laws may also work against older job seekers; it is illegal to lay off on the basis of age, so employers may just avoid hiring older workers in the first place.”
    
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