“Religious communism” is not a thing, and early communalism exists in micro-pockets. Neither is the same as what is understood as communism, the theoretical mode of production that predates Marxism.
The problem we’re arguing about here is “understood as communism”
I understand both of those to be Communism, because they are in fact types of Communism. That’s why they’re referred to as “Religious Communism” and “Primative Communism.”
You are trying to Pidgeon hole Communism as just Marxism, when the word frequently has far broader implications in common use.
I already said the concept of communism predates Marx. I am not redefining communism to Marxism. OP is asking about socialism and communism as they actually exist and are understood, and further “primitive communism” as described by Marx is misleading and instead is better described as “communalism.”
How is it hypocritical? China HAS abandoned communism. What part their current policies is moving towards collective ownership?
China’s State Owned Enterprises are at less than 60% of the total production of the country, down from well over 80% during the peak in the 50s and 60s.
Hell, Xi has opened up SoE to a hybrid mix of government and private ownership in 2013.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
“Religious communism” is not a thing, and early communalism exists in micro-pockets. Neither is the same as what is understood as communism, the theoretical mode of production that predates Marxism.
BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
The problem we’re arguing about here is “understood as communism”
I understand both of those to be Communism, because they are in fact types of Communism. That’s why they’re referred to as “Religious Communism” and “Primative Communism.”
You are trying to Pidgeon hole Communism as just Marxism, when the word frequently has far broader implications in common use.
Even the dictionaries have definitions that extend beyond Marxism. www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism www.dictionary.com/browse/communism en.wiktionary.org/wiki/communism
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
I already said the concept of communism predates Marx. I am not redefining communism to Marxism. OP is asking about socialism and communism as they actually exist and are understood, and further “primitive communism” as described by Marx is misleading and instead is better described as “communalism.”
BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
How is it hypocritical? China HAS abandoned communism. What part their current policies is moving towards collective ownership?
China’s State Owned Enterprises are at less than 60% of the total production of the country, down from well over 80% during the peak in the 50s and 60s.
Hell, Xi has opened up SoE to a hybrid mix of government and private ownership in 2013.
How is that Communism in any of it’s definitions?