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Comment on Israel has gone beyond self-defence in Gaza, Tory MP Alicia Kearns says

hellothere@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

The immoral disaster that is Gaza and the West Bank does not make one state a viable solution, regardless of who runs it.

You need to engage in the practical realities of the situation. Israel has existed for 80 years, so if it suddenly stopped existing, where do the people who have been born there over 3 generations go? That is as much a problem now as it was for Palestinians in 1947. Just because it was handled terribly then doesn’t mean we should repeat the situation. It also doesn’t satisfy the reasons for why Israel was created in the first place; to have a Jewish state where, in the worst of circumstances, non-Israeli Jews can flee to. And none of that justifies the continued blockade of Gaza, of illegal settlements, or killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

The disestablishment of Israel is a white nationalist ideal. It is also a view held by other groups as well, but that doesn’t stop it being a white nationalist desire. Presuming you aren’t a nazi, you should consider why you are aligned on this.

There are so many options we could try before concluding that Israel shouldn’t exist. Jumping straight to the most extreme option is just displaying ignorance, or that you have ulterior motives.

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NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Israel has existed for 80 years, so if it suddenly stopped existing, where do the people who have been born there over 3 generations go?

I never said they should go anywhere. The one-state solution holds that everyone should live in one state, without anyone going anywhere.

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- hellothere@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  I never said they should go anywhere. Israel not existing simply means Israel, the Jewish state, not existing, not its people being driven off.
  
  Let’s think about this for a second. If one democratic state was created, and a government elected, given population differences alone and presumed voting along established political (ie religious) lines, you’d end up with a Jewish/Israeli government rather than a Muslim/Arab government.
  
  Two independent, internationally recognised, and supported, nations is the only viable option.
  
  Over a very long time powersharing may be an option, but that’s not now, or any time soon.
  
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  - NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    given population differences alone and presumed voting along established political (ie religious) lines, you’d end up with a Jewish/Israeli government rather than a Muslim/Arab government.
    
    You'd end up with a government with both groups. It'd be possible to, for example, have a large Arab party in a coalition government with a left-wing Jewish coalition. And also someone like Netanyahu would've never won; because Palestinians would all rally around someone else.
    
    This is especially true in a parliamentary government like Israel; the Knesset would look much different if the Palestinian population suddenly tripled.
    
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    hellothere@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    There is no way that coalition would work together. I mean just look at the absolute mess the Israeli government coalition currently is.
    
    It’s a complete pipedream, we can’t just wish the situation is different.
    
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