Comment on Israel has gone beyond self-defence in Gaza, Tory MP Alicia Kearns says

• hellothere@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m guessing you’re referring to Irgub, so please remind me when we started conflating the actions of historic terrorist organisations with current governments?

  There is enough to criticise the current regime about without needing to skirt awfully close to white nationalist talking points.

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  • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No no. Irgub and crew then went on to create Likud and their ilk. They are the current government. Anyway I guess if you wanna only count the actions of the modern Israeli state, it went beyond self-defense in 1948 with Israeli massacres like Deir Yassin.

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    • hellothere@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The immoral disaster that is Gaza and the West Bank does not make one state a viable solution, regardless of who runs it.

      You need to engage in the practical realities of the situation. Israel has existed for 80 years, so if it suddenly stopped existing, where do the people who have been born there over 3 generations go? That is as much a problem now as it was for Palestinians in 1947. Just because it was handled terribly then doesn’t mean we should repeat the situation. It also doesn’t satisfy the reasons for why Israel was created in the first place; to have a Jewish state where, in the worst of circumstances, non-Israeli Jews can flee to. And none of that justifies the continued blockade of Gaza, of illegal settlements, or killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.

      The disestablishment of Israel is a white nationalist ideal. It is also a view held by other groups as well, but that doesn’t stop it being a white nationalist desire. Presuming you aren’t a nazi, you should consider why you are aligned on this.

      There are so many options we could try before concluding that Israel shouldn’t exist. Jumping straight to the most extreme option is just displaying ignorance, or that you have ulterior motives.

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      • NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Israel has existed for 80 years, so if it suddenly stopped existing, where do the people who have been born there over 3 generations go?

        I never said they should go anywhere. The one-state solution holds that everyone should live in one state, without anyone going anywhere.

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