Comment on 14,000 routers are infected by malware that's highly resistant to takedowns

• t3rmit3@beehaw.org ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  But in the society we live in, that position is pretty extreme.

  By what metric? And “Extreme” and “Extremist” are two different words, with different meanings and connotations.

  Extreme simply means the far end of a spectrum. Extremist means

  having or involving beliefs that most people think are unreasonable and unacceptable

  At no point did I ever say that it’s a bad thing to hold that position

  Without offering any metric by which to assert that, you most certainly did convey the commonly understood negative connotation by calling it extremist.

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  • TehPers@beehaw.org ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I added a second edit it appears after your comment, but repeating it here: what’s the point of this? To me it seems like an argument over the semantics of a word which I honestly couldn’t care less about. Are you defending that the commenter’s comment reads like a sane interpretation of the article?

    Nobody here is saying that it’s ridiculous to question your sources or try to identify potential bias in articles. Those are things you should always do. That’s not what this commenter was doing, though.

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    • t3rmit3@beehaw.org ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      That’s not what this commenter was doing, though.

      So what do you think there were doing, exactly?

      Let’s break their comment down, and then you can point out the part that is “extremist”.

      14,000 sounds like a big number, until you realise that there’s many millions of routers.

      This is 100% accurate, especially in the age of Mirai-like IoT botnets. 14k is pretty small nowadays. Variants of Mirai (e.g. Midori and Aisuru) had 300,000+ devices.

      Asus is not known for backbone routing

      Correct, this is a pretty low-danger botnet due to being low-power consumer devices, even if it’s difficult to clean.

      so while this might be happening, you have to ask yourself, is this the biggest threat across the internet,

      Less fair, because it is still news, and Ars is a tech news site.

      or is this article intended to serve another interest?

      The part I assume you take issue with, but it’s also a completely fair question (and is in fact precisely “telling people to question the purpose and bias of news”). The article made the deliberate choice to name-drop BitTorrent and IPFS, despite them not being related other than them also using DHTs. I understand the writer may not have been intending to draw a “malware <-> bittorrent” association in the readers’ minds… or they may have. It’s sort of like saying, “the killer drove an Audi, much like Nico Hulkenberg”. That’s why you have to critically question news.

      what’s the point of this? To me it seems like an argument over the semantics of a word which I honestly couldn’t care less about

      The point is that you immediately jumped to calling them an “extremist” for what seems a pretty innocuous (if not particularly useful) comment. We generally assume good-faith around here, and calling people “extremist” for questioning an Ars article doesn’t seem like that to me.

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      • TehPers@beehaw.org ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        The final question presents a false dichotomy that it is the end of the internet or that the authors are pushing an agenda. This is a belief “that most people think are unreasonable and unacceptable” (as you put it) in the context of this specific article, which is what their comment was in response to.

        I have no issue with anything that precedes that, obviously.

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