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Comment on Indie Game Awards Disqualifies Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Due To Gen AI Usage

brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

I understand the principle. Even if E33 is not “slop,” people should fear a road that leads to dependence on “surveillance state AI” like OpenAI.

That being said, I think a lot of people don’t realized how cheap and commoditized it’s getting. It’s not a monoculture, it’s not transcending. This stuff is racing to the bottom to become dumb tools, and honestly that’s something that makes a lot of sense for a game studio dev to want.

And E33 is clearly not part of the “Tech Bro Evangalism” camp. They made a few textures, with a tool.

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HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
When I give myself the leeway to think of a less hardliner stance on AI, I come back to Joel Haver's video on his use of ebsynth:

It lets me create rotoscoped animations alone, which is something I never would have the time or patience for otherwise. Any time technology makes art easier to learn, more accessible, we should applaud it. Art should be in the hands of everyone.

Now my blood boils like everyone else's when it comes to being forced to use AI at work, or when I hear the AI Voice on Youtube, or the forced AI updates to Windows and VS Code, but it doesn't boil for Joel. He clearly has developed an iconic style for his comedy skits, and puts effort into those skits long before he puts it through an AI rotoscope filter. He chose his tool and he uses it sparingly. The same was apparently true for E33, and I have no reason not give Kojima and Larian the same benefit of the doubt.

On the other hand, Joel probably has no idea what I'm talking about when I say "surveillance state AI." People Make Games has a pretty good video exposing its use case. There's also...

the global and localized environmental impacts of all these data centers,

Nvidia and Micron pricing the consumer out of owning their own hardware,

aforementioned companies fraudulently inflating an economic bubble,

the ease with which larger models can be warped to suit their owners' fascist agendas (see Grok).

Creatives may be aware of some, or all, or none of those things, which is why it's important to continue raising awareness of them. AI may be toothpaste that can't go back in the tube, but it's also a sunk cost fallacy, you don't have to brush your teeth with shit-flavored toothpaste.
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- brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  Now my blood boils like everyone else’s when it comes to being forced to use AI at work, or when I hear the AI Voice on Youtube, or the forced AI updates to Windows and VS Code
  
  You don’t hate AI. You hate Big Tech Evangelism. You hate corporate enshittification, AI oligarchs, and the death of the internet being shoved down your throat.
  
  …I think people get way too focused on the tool, and not these awful entries wielding them while conning everyone. They’re the responsible party.
  
  You’re using “AI” as a synonym for OpenAI, basically, but that’s not Joel Haver’s rotoscope filter at all. That’s niche machine learning.
  
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  - HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    True on most fronts except one. On a personal level, I do hate AI lol. The large language model itself. I just don't think typing out or speaking out a series of instructions is that useful or efficient. If I want a computer to do something for me, I much prefer the more rigid and unnatural syntax and grammar of programming language. AI tools themselves just don't produce a result that satisfies me.
    
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    Holytimes@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Don’t produce a result that’s satisfies you yet. Early programming also was absolute dog s***.
    
    Give it 20 years, and there’s bound to be new things that will replace the current concept of AI that do functionally the same thing just in a manner that actually does produce good results.
    
    Just like we did with everything else computing related.
    
    Hating a tool is the single stupidest f****** thing anyone can do.
    
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    brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Again, they’re tools. Some of the most useful applications for LLMs I’ve seen are never even seen by human eyes, like rankings, then ingesting documents and filling out json in pipelines. Or as automated testers.
    
    You just need to put everything you’ve ever seen with ChatGPT and copilot and the NotebookLM YouTube spam out of your head. Banging text into a box is not AI. “Chat” tuned decoder-only LLMs are just one tiny slice that a few Tech Bros turned into a pyramid scheme.
    
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