Comment on Is the damsel in distress trope just independent?
jannaultheal@lemmy.world 4 days agoI want to understand why some women seem to enjoy movies and video games that use the damsel in distress trope, despite knowing that in feminist theory it’s often considered harmful. I realized that Godel and Cohen proved a very similar result and wonder if their techniques can be applied here as well
Actually, now that I think of it, we can add axioms to ZFC that decide CH. For example, V=L implies it’s true, and proper forcing axioms imply that it’s false. Can we also add additional axioms to decide whether or not the damsel in distress trope is harmless fun, or sexist against women?
woop_woop@lemmy.world 4 days ago
The answer is that people of any demographic are not homogeneous and will have different beliefs and values. Your question is too high level to go any deeper than that. The rest of the nonsense you’re couching it behind is useless. People are people. Sonder.
jannaultheal@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Yes but I still think it goes deeper than that. Is there any analogue of axioms that can be added to ZFC that decide CH, like V=L and proper forcing axioms as I pointed out?
woop_woop@lemmy.world 4 days ago
You can think all you want bud, but you’re not approaching the problem correctly. To get to that low level you gotta get more specific. Also, could just use Google
www.reddit.com/r/…/zfc_and_metaphysics/
solrize@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
Really no, any logic in the real world that has anything to say about damsels in distress is going to be inconsistent, just like the real world is. Therefore it proves everything and has no indepdendent statements. Also, it will have second-order quantifiers so it won’t have that kind of proof theory. If you treat damsels in distress problems as something like knight-knave puzzles from logic, then sure, you can treat them mathematically. But that’s not so interesting.
There is an excellent book you might like, " Gödel’s Theorem: An Incomplete Guide to Its Use and Abuse" by Torkel Franzén, that discusses various forms fo what you’re trying to do, and explains why it doesn’t make much sense in the end. It’s available from the usual places including pdf’s on the internet. Book review: www.ams.org/journals/…/rev-raatikainen.pdf
jannaultheal@lemmy.world 2 days ago
If they’re all inconsistent then the real world is inconsistent and therefore the real world doesn’t exist since inconsistent systems don’t have models. But all the women who think that the damsel in distress trope is harmless fun/perpetuates sexist stereotypes do exist, and they are models so I don’t think the theory is inconsistent.