Comment on What do you call the beleif that gods are just higher beings on other planes of existence?

chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  greeks seem to have a hierarchy. thier are demigods lower than gods, gods are lower titans, and lower than primordial beings(aka personification of aspect of the universe)

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  • slazer2au@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Are gods lower then titans? The gods are the offspring of them and overthrow them.

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    • Infrapink@thebrainbin.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      In European polytheism, there isn't a clear division between the mundane and the divine, like you see in Christianity.

      There are gods all over the place. Your house has a couple of gods in it. They aren't powerful enough to kill you with lightning on a clear day, but they will still annoy you unless you leave out a little food for them.

      Specifically in the Greek context, Protogenoi, Titans, Olympians, Gigantes, Nereids, Gorgons, Furies, Fates, Muses, and Nymphs are all gods of varying strength and prominence. Everybody worshipped Zeus, but only your family worships the house gods.

      Likewise, in Scandinavia, you have your Aesir, Vanir, Jötunn, Dwarves, Elves, and so on. Gaels have the Sídhe, Fomoire, Tuatha Dé Dannann, Leprecháns, and whatever else. To an Arab pagan, djinn were a form of minor deity. The kami of Shinto continue to encompass everything from local spirits to the supreme creator, to the point that Japanese Christians and Muslims refer to God as Kami-sama.

      [Much more info here]https://acoup.blog/2019/10/25/collections-practical-polytheism-part-i-knowledge/)

      When Christianity caught on, other gods were out, but that didn't stop people honoring their local house gods. Small gods were reïmagined as fairies; Christian clergy denied their reality, but belief in fairies was mostly seen as a harmless superstition, like not stepping on a crack in the road. Belief in fairies persists in Ireland; ironically, those who genuinely believe in the old gods are the most devout Catholics.

      We see a similar phenomenon across history and culture. When Christianity met Vodún, people didn't stop believing in their indigenous gods; instead, those gods became spirits who God put in charge of particular aspects of the cosmos, which is how we get Vodou.

      Likewise, Zarathustra was a polytheist, but by the time Islam rose, Zoroastrians were down to two gods, with the others recast as basically angels. This concept in turn influenced Judaism and Samaritanism; Yahweh, the Hebrews' patron deity, merged with El, the Semitic supreme deity, and the other gods became angels.

      Because Christianity caught on as the Western Roman Empire was disintegrating, people felt like they were living through an apocalypse. Clergy said that, while the physical world was collapsing, the world to come was brilliant, and thus a sharp division was drawn between the mundane and the divine. Modern Euramericans are raised with this division; whatever our beliefs or lack thereof, we see it as fundamental, and thus retroactively and anachronistically apply it to pre-Christian paganism, whereas the pagans saw the divine as simply part of the world.

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