Comment on I hate how much culture is controled by shitty people

• Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  That’s a disingenuous way to frame it.

  Under almost any system, those traits are somewhat advantageous when it comes to power, but few if any countries reward them as thoroughly or do as little to rein them in as the US.

  Very few if any other democracies have systems written by and for the already rich and powerful to anywhere near the degree of the US.

  None other that I have heard of explicitly allows bribery by law (as long as you’re not stupid enough to say “I’m bribing you right now to do this specific thing”), even going so far as considering it a necessity to gain and retain public office.

  CERTAINLY not while loudly pretending to be one of the least corrupt and most democratic countries in the world. Even going so far as to claim absolute social mobility when there’s almost none for those at the bottom.

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  • unfreeradical@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That’s a disingenuous way to frame it.

    No. The issue is that you are engaged in a contradiction.

    You have agreed that problems for groups that are disempowered is a consequence of one small group holding power.

    Yet, you have also tacitly defended, as the form of system you most prefer, a system in which one small group holds power.

    Under almost any system, those traits are somewhat advantageous when it comes to power

    I agree.

    For such reasons, as well as others, I would defend the assertion that problems for groups that are disempowered is a consequence of one small group holding power.

    Very few if any other democracies…

    …when there’s almost none for those at the bottom.

    I have no idea how any of it is related to resolving the issues identified as consequent of one small group holding power.

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    • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yet, you have also tacitly defended, as the form of system you most prefer, a system in which one small group holds power.

      I’ve done no such thing. Which small group are you imagining I’m advocating for being in charge of everything?

      issues identified as consequent of one small group holding power.

      Identified by your own faulty logic. It’s extremely reductive to pretend that how many people have power is in itself the only problem rather than for example how that power is (ab)used and how little is done to hold those people accountable.

      The lack of social mobility for poor and otherwise marginalised people is one of the main reasons for the concentration of power. That and people like you ignoring any part of the problem that isn’t directly related to a tiny portion of the causality.

      I can reach no understanding of how any of it is

      Seems about true.

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      • unfreeradical@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Let’s make it simple.

        A system may take one of three forms:

        1. One group holds power, and the group holding power exacerbates problems for those who are disempowered.
        2. One group holds power, and that group holding power does not exacerbate problems for those who are disempowered.
        3. Power is not held by a particular group.

        You have implied two assertions are both true:

        1. The preferred system is (1).
        2. It is possible to achieve (1).

        Would you please justify one or both assertions?

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