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hellothere@sh.itjust.works 4 days agothat it caused people such as yourself to act against your own interests.
Continuing to vote for someone who lost two elections - regardless of how “fair” the other side fought is much more against my interests.
Tell me, do you still think ousting Corbyn was the right move?
I think any leader losing two elections is grounds of them to step down.
Were there unsubstantiated claims? Yes, absolutely.
But the report was not about those, it was about the ones that were proven to have happened. Replying to that report by bringing up unproven cases is very #notallmen energy.
Are we in a better position now under Kiers labour?
Better than under the Tories? Absolutely. I’m a trustee of a local foodbank, since July this is our first 12 month period ever where usage has reduced. That is directly related to increases in UC, the minimum wage, and DWP being moved to be helping people access benefits instead of finding any excuse to sanction them.
Is it better than what Corbyn campaigned on in 2017 or 2019? No, it’s not.
But actual improvements are better for those people who would otherwise be literally starving, compared to hypothetical alt futures.
javiwhite@feddit.uk 3 days ago
Do you truly believe kier beat the Tories on his own merit, rather than the Tories self imploding? Even after winning, he had around 1m less on the popular vote than Corbyns loss in 2019… Why? Because voter apathy and a general disdain for the tories handed labour the last election, rather than them winning on their own merit.
The only reason I and many other people voted for Kier was exactly as you said, 14 year of tory regime has decimated the countries welfare, and intentionally so… But the countries complicit nature In the bombing of children in Gaza continues, if it wasn’t for good ol’ Jeremy there wouldn’t even be an inquiry as labour have rejected the bill to hold an independently run tribunal to investigate the governments complicit nature in the Gaza genocide and that is just too big of a pain point for me. I refuse to have the blood of innocent children on my hands, even if it means life at home gets easier.
This is ultimately how democracy works right. Labour pretending to be the left wing option of the UK has left many voters disenfranchised… Now, labour can own up to being the centrist party they’ve become, and those who want the lesser of two evils can continue to vote for them… The rest of us who want to see real societal change, can try a new approach.
hellothere@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
There will always be tension between where ideology, and hopes of a better world, meet with what is currently achievable.
What is achievable depends on load of factors; what technology exists, how wealth is concentrated, how divided people are, etc etc.
It’s the 1500+ days between elections that we must work to shift these factors closer towards where we want to be, so people support policies rather than reject them.
I’d love to be in a situation where overnight everyone realised it’s the ultra rich that are the problem, and band together to peacefully redistribute based on nerd. But that isn’t where we are.
This is just pure virtue signaling. The idea that by purposefully throwing away your vote is somehow morally better than voting once every 5 years for the lesser of two evils is asinine in the extreme.
javiwhite@feddit.uk 3 days ago
So an independent investigation into our current involvement in Gaza isn’t currently achievable for what reason? What part of a better world are we missing, where a supposedly democratic nation, can’t carry out an independent check on it’s public offices?
Pot. Kettle.
Call it whatever you like, but what’s asinine is to keep voting for the same party, and expecting different results.
hellothere@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
I am continuing to talk about Labour’s manifestos, their electoral results in 2017, 2019, and 2024, and how it’s a frustrating reality that a) you can’t change anything if you aren’t in power, and b) getting in to power requires adjusting the offering based on what is currently possible.
I know you know this, but actually doing something that has an impact is not virtue signalling. We fed over 8k people last year, and that’s much more helpful to the working class than failing to get elected.
If purity is the reason you do nothing, instead of something, then you’re part of the problem.