Comment on nobody in webdev knows what graceful degradation is anymore

• veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Just because there are other ways to serve you ads does not at all mean we should not be able to not only stop at least one, but also the one which is most dangerous since it literally allows for RCE on all clients. by design.

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  • moseschrute@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    The browser is supposed to be a sandbox environment for RCE. That’s why the sandbox part is important. Maybe instead of removing the RCE, we can lock down the sandbox better and reduce the amount of information advertisers can collect.

    If you remove code execution in the browser, then many websites will need to ship desktop apps instead. So now you’ve bypassed the browser sandbox altogether and that application can do much more damage.

    I’m nit arguing that all websites need to execute in the browser, but without code execution in the browser, you remove a whole call of apps and the web becomes much less useful.

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    • veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Maybe instead of removing the RCE, we can lock down the sandbox better and reduce the amount of information advertisers can collect.

      By all means but then someone do it, because it’s 2025 and even Firefox sends all this information that is absolutely not needed to show a webpage. It’s at least 25 years late by this point.

      If you remove code execution in the browser, then many websites will need to ship desktop apps instead.

      Which in quite more than just some cases would be good, precisely because some things should be native programs instead of requiring that the web browser basically provides all the tasks of the OS.

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      • moseschrute@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I still think it’s silly to feel safer to run the code outside of the browser sandbox, but I also understand. Ad companies have abused browser tracking and fingerprinting so much, and I hate them for it. What I’m trying to say is don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

        As a developer, it’s way easier to build a cross platform websites than maintain a native app for each platform. A lot of “native” apps are actually just web apps in a wrapper or halfway between native and web solution like React Native. Web lowers the barrier of entry to get your app out the door.

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