100 years from now, who would possibly doubt that PAC are the heroes here and labor are the villains? Genociders are never on the right side of history. These people are heroes.
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scholar@lemmy.world 3 weeks agoIt certainly made proscribing them an easy sell; you won’t find many people who think it’s unreasonable of the government to take a dim view of sabotage.
Hopefully it won’t distract too much from the bigger story of almost everyone apart from the government taking a dim view of genocide.
WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
scholar@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s not even really a Labour issue, support for Israel has been a long standing policy (partly because the UK was largely responsible for the creation of Israel back in the 1920s) and the motion to proscribe Palestine Action was broadly supported by every party. Regardless of the morality it was completely obvious and expected that breaking into a military base and damaging expensive aircraft was going to have consequences.
WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Doesn’t mean it’s not the morally right thing to do. Aircraft that are being used to bomb innocent civilians should be vandalized. Hell that’s the minimum. The morally right thing to do is to set them on fire. Legality and morality are only weakly correlated. Obviously the law says what the powerful want it to say, but that doesn’t mean it’s right or just. Setting fire to a UK plane that is being used to genocide people is no different than setting fire to an empty train in 1944 that’s about to be sent out on a run to gather up people to take them to a concentration camp. Sorry, but that’s just the simple truth of it. You can cite evil laws you want, but you might as well be citing the laws of Nazi Germany. Everything they did was legal as well.
Some things are just wrong. And enabling them is wrong. And we shouldn’t be afraid to say that. The people who vandalized those planes did nothing wrong. They’re victorious heroes. We should be memorializing them in song and story. The laws of evil men are not even worthy of consideration, beyond the practical choices of those choosing to engage in such acts of bravery and heroism.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Aircraft that are being used to bomb innocent civilians should be vandalized.
These planes are not bombers, and carry no weapons.
Setting fire to a UK plane that is being used to genocide people
These planes are not being used for that in any capacity.
I look forward to your moving the goalposts.
scholar@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I haven’t cited any laws or said what they did was wrong, just that the government doesn’t like having its toys broken. Absolutely setting fire to a nazi train may be the morally correct thing to do, but you can still understand the nazis not being happy about it: these aren’t mutually exclusive propositions.
shiturdgensider@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
“Sabotage” they threw paint at fighter jets idiot
scholar@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Jet engines may react poorly with paint in the intakes. Those aircraft will need to be inspected and possibly repaired/maintained before they are allowed in the air again. That is sabotage.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
They weren’t fighter jets, they used crowbars as well, and even a tiny bit of paint in a jet engine can cause catastrophic damage at the sort of RPM and temperature they operate at.
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Sabotaging the tools of genocide should be supported by everyone who isn’t a monster.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
/ air tankers, unrelated to any genocide