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squashkin@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
to me regarding Francis there are two approaches: either he's basically a private heretic and all anyone can do is pray until he and others leave, or maybe this attack gets extended to the end times - or it's able to be proven he's a public heretic and therefore isn't pope in the first place. A few have attempted to prove he is a heretic and Vatican 2 is heretical. I need to work on circulating this discussion more to obtain a greater consensus if the arguments hold proving the existence of heresy. I tend to think they do, otherwise Catholicism would be able to be led in to such disorder as exists currently, which seems impossible - it does seem possible that a fake takeover could happen and could temporarily reduce the true Church in size, which is what we think happened.
Monarque@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
I do not ever want to step on Catholic's balls over these things because I think it is too painful. Many acknowledge that there have been terrible Popes before and this does not diminish their faith.
Whatever you believe about this is certainly fine. I have faith in you.... more than the Pope. lol.
squashkin@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
this is the absolute state of Catholicism, some other "trads" have expressed the same kind of sentiment, like the late John Vennari who accepted Francis as "pope" but said something like he would be concerned about him teaching his kids theology. How can you have a Church with a leader that is unsound on theology like this? For me it points to it being impossible for this to be the Church, but there's still debate raging over what this means.
Monarque@wolfballs.com 2 years ago
Yes, I agree.
I agreed a long tiem ago.
I am Orthodox - proudly so, and I feel that within it we do not put our clergy up so high and so we do not suffer from these situations. We also have it so that we are much more timeless and resistant to change.
Having said that, I do not want to spar with Catholics or shame them over their situation because I deeply respect the sincere Catholics and understand their reluctance to leave the Church. God bless them.