Comment on The clueless people are out there among us
ClamDrinker@lemmy.world 3 weeks agoPeople making assumptions is the issue.
There’s assumptions involved in detecting satire from just text as well. You would just have a Reverse Poe’s law where “any extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for satire of those views without clear indicator of the author’s intent”.
Normally when people say things we (justifiably) assume that to be what they mean, which is why satire works much better in person because intonation can make the satire explicit without changing the words or saying it out loud.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I never said anyone should assume something is satire. It’s possible to just not know something and not make a judgement.
ClamDrinker@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Never assumed you did :), but yes, as little assumptions is the best. But as you can already tell, it’s hard to communicate when you take no assumptions when people make explicit statements crafted to dispel assumptions, that are entirely plausible for a hypothetical real person to have.
In fact, your original statement of “They have no doubts. Never occurred to them it might be a joke…”, is in itself a pretty big assumption. Unless, of course. I assume that statement to be a hyperbole, or even satire. But if we want to have fun talking about a shitpost we do kind of have to take an assumptive position on the meme that can’t talk back.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
So yes, you have to make some assumptions. But to me it’s pretty clear that if someone is expressing anger at a possible joke that would be messed up if not a joke, they probably aren’t trolling/joking themselves. And then even if some people were, when you see people doing it en masse, I think it’s a safer assumption to assume no one gets the satire than it is for them to see a single random thing online and then get mad about what they think it means, when there are multiple possible interpretations
ClamDrinker@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yeah I agree that’s a fair enough assumption 😄