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Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 weeks agoI didn’t call you a fascist Zionist, I said the whole of Germany is infested with fascist Zionists. I didn’t even know you were German. Though, “understanding the cultural context” is often a dogwhistle, so you may wish to drop that language.
It’s convenient to blame the people for not being “culturally developed enough” to oppose fascism, and it blunts the active role of Nazis in the West, and erases the de-communization of the East following the fall of the Berlin Wall. Fascism wasn’t “erased” from West Germany because children askdd hard questions, Nazis were key figures and great effort was made to make it appear as though West Germany was truly distanced from fascism. Lo and behold, Germany unwaveringly supports Israel and the ethnic cleansing campaign.
Fascism can only be truly beaten by advancing to Socialism.
barsoap@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Really. Dogwhistle.
This is about things like inflationary use of the term Nazi, just as an example not even Die Linke calls the AfD Nazis – the agreed-upon term is fascist. That’s because culturally we’re careful about not diluting that term.
So when someone goes over to say feddit.org and posts about how “German police is all Nazis”, that won’t fly. Not because the absolutely left-heavy and German demographics of feddit.org fail to recognise issues with the German police, but because you just trivialised Nazi rule.
That kind of cultural context.
Your words. You seem to be right-out seeking terms that pass judgement. I suggest finding language that seeks analysis, instead.
The psychopolitics of fascism are anxiety: Shutting off higher mammalian and human instincts by induction of fear states. Socialism is an answer to that, yes, but the KGB surely doesn’t help with the anxiety. All that paranoia, all that distrust, and policies which do not alleviate it but only deepen it. Psychologically, capitalism, fascism, and tankiism are different sides of the same socio-psychological maladaptation to human nature.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
People claiming simply to have an “understanding of the cultural context” when speaking of the Palestinian Genocide often do so to avoid criticism for not condemning Israel. What this does is run cover for the IDF. We aren’t on Feddit, we aren’t in Germany, we are in an open space where such a phrase has been used by Zionists plenty, hence why I gave you a warning.
Secondly, your point is that East Germans simply have been culturaly underdeveloped and are incapable of ruling themselves, as an explanation for why demographics shifted so far to the right. Again, this is avoidance, I quite clearly pointed to the rooting out of Communists in the East and the regular fostering of Anti-Communists in the West leading to current conditions.
As for fascism, it’s best described as Capitalism in decay. It’s the same system of Capitalism, only when conditions are dire and the bourgeoisie needs to rely on violence to protect its own interests. All this talk of “shutting off higher mammalian and human insticts” is more Idealism than anything else, it fronts the idea of “fear states” as a genuine mechanism when the fear comes with the fascism.
Further, Communism isn’t to be grouped in with fascism and Capitalism, it’s diametrically opposed. The nostalgia for Socialism is very high in the overwhelming majority of post-Socialist states, and the approval of government in current Socialist states is high. There’s no evidence that they were and are run by “fear.”
barsoap@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Do those people also call out Israel’s annexations and settlements as illegal?
Again: Your words.
And I pointed you to actual literature. Read it if you don’t want to make a fool of yourself.
“Psychology is idealism” that’s a new one. The fear is used, imposed, as a control mechanism. Not just the obvious “do what I say or I hit you” but implicit “wouldn’t it be a shame if…” narratives making alternatives unthinkable. A teacher scolding, shaming a student for not answering quickly enough breeds a life-time of preferring ready-made answers over careful consideration – any ready-made answer: The preference is for answering quickly, not for agreeing or disagreeing with the authority figure. The affective layer of the mind is fine either way, all it wants is to not be shamed for saying “I’ll need a moment to consider”.
I’m being quite orthodox here, actually, what I’m talking about is nothing but the socio-psychological aspect of alienation.
Granted. As far as “communism” means the real existing ML experiments it’s still the same fucking river, though.
You know where else approval of the government was high? Nazi Germany. Poll numbers are a thought-terminating cliche, you can do better.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Some do, they just claim Hamas is equally evil for resisting genocide, the good 'ol “two wrongs don’t make a right” adage.
As for East Germany, would you mind stating how your thesis about the government taking an active role in rooting out Nazis somehow made the East more open to fascism isn’t a statement on East Germans being incapable of ruling themselved, and just going along with whoever? You linked literature, sure, but avoided addressing that the West never de-Nazified yet East Germany was thoroughly purged of Communists? Rather than blaming the rise of fascism in modern eastern Germany on the previous antifascist government and the dull acceptance of the eastern Germans due to alienation from politics, why not take an active look at the dynamics at play as the West took over the East?
As for Psychology, no, it isn’t idealism, but your analysis was. In the absence of materialist analysis, you shifted to an assertion that existing in different modes of production shuts off the higher instincts of man. It is true that material conditions shape the ideas of man, but you pivoted that to the idea that existing in a Socialist state dulls the mind, which doesn’t have materialist backing.
Socialism is not “the same fucking river” as Nazism, not to any capacity. I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds, it’s a good introductory book and a quick read.
As for Nazi Germany’s approval ratings, that’s not really true, as clearly Holocaust victims weren’t polled. Support for Socialism both within post-Socialist states and currently Socialist states is best explained by the real material achievements they made for the Working Class, as one western study said of China:
“Although state censorship and propaganda are widespread in China, these findings highlight that citizen perceptions of governmental performance respond most to real, measurable changes in individuals’ material well-being. Satisfaction and support must be consistently reinforced. As a result, the data point to specific areas in which citizen satisfaction could decline in today’s era of slowing economic growth and continued environmental degradation.”
I’ll leave you with a Parenti quote I think is fitting, from the same book I recommended: