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barsoap@lemm.ee 11 hours agoNazi collaborators
…like Ukrainian Red Army veterans who fought the Nazis, but didn’t like Moscow calling the shots afterwards. I see you’ve drunken that age-old propaganda wholesale.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 hours ago
You could be more specific than that, but when I say Nazi collaborators, I do mean them.
“On the other hand, in the Soviet occupation zone and later East Germany, denazification was considered as a critical element of the transformation into a socialist society, and the country was stricter in opposing Nazism than its counterpart.”
The Soviets took anti-fascism seriously.
barsoap@lemm.ee 11 hours ago
Gee that worked well in Germany didn’t it have a look at the polling results for the AfD.
Trouble being that in the east, antifascism was considered state matter, therefore, ordinary people did not get involved. In the west, it was a civil society issue. The SED de-politicised the population, “join the party and read the script or don’t get involved”, and now the east is severely lacking in civil society capacity to oppose fascism. Capacity to engage in politics in the first place, the east is run by West German politicians because East Germans just don’t bother to become politicians, they rather elect West Germans instead. And then they’re complaining that they’re not getting heard.
Nothing about what the Soviets did in the GDR was “taking fascism seriously”, unless with “take seriously” you mean “fertilise the ground”.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 hours ago
That’s a poor assessment, and looks down upon the people of East Germany as “stupid” and “compliant.” The West was never truly de-Nazified, but the East was absolutely de-“commiefied” after the fall of the Berlin Wall. East Germany was purged of its Nazis, and then purged of its Communists. In purging the Communists, the resurging fascists go unopposed.
barsoap@lemm.ee 11 hours ago
Did you just call me a fascist Zionist. As far as opposing the genocide is concerned I haven’t been cracked down on – maybe because I understand the cultural context. The government itself, btw, has always considered Israel’s annexations and settlements outside of the 1967 borders to be illegal.
They’re neither. What’s lacking is a cultural habit of self-rule. Complaining “why don’t the people on top do things properly”, that’s not compliant, that’s not stupid, but it’s also quite ineffective when you could run for office and do it better yourself.
The west’s denazification didn’t happen after the war, true – it happened '68, when kids started to ask their parents inconvenient questions. That never happened in the east. It could never happen in the east because the party insisted on its monopoly on politics.
Also it’s plenty well-documented of how the SED just didn’t bother to crack down on Nazi structures. Roughly 25% of SED members had a Nazi past, Plenty of boneheads starting in the 80s, later on they infiltrated the FDJ, in 1990 about 14% of GDR youth agreed with the statement “there were positive things about nationalist-socialist rule”. Have a wikipedia article to kick off your further research into the topic. Why is there only a German version? Because apparently noone outside of Germany actually gives a fuck about these things.