Have you actually bought a second hand EV?
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Whirlybird@aussie.zone 1 week agoIt costs half the price of a new EV to replace the battery. Buying a second hand EV means you have no idea how the battery has been treated, and you know the clock is already ticking until you have to shell out a massive amount of $ for a new battery.
kudra@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
Whirlybird@aussie.zone 6 days ago
Why on earth would I do that based on my post?
kudra@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
It was a facetious question. Clearly you wouldn’t with such misguided preconceptions.
Whirlybird@aussie.zone 5 days ago
“Misguided preconceptions” lolololol
Any battery powered device that costs more to replace the battery than it costs to buy a new device is not a smart purchase when it’s close to or outside of its warranty period. The risk is not worth it.
It’s like you don’t even understand the point being made. If a EV battery was good for “the life of the car” (let’s say 350,000km or 20 years) then the warranty would be 350,000km or 20 years, wouldn’t it?
Answer me this - why is the battery warranty 8 years / 100,000km with 70% capacity (or whatever the km limit is, can’t remember off the top of my head)? Why don’t they guarantee it for 15 years? 20 years?
DropBear@theblower.au 1 week ago
@Whirlybird @kudra
The condition of a used EV depends on how it's been treated. EVs are not alone in that.
In general, the battery of a modern EV can be expected to last for the useful life of the vehicle. "... scientists discovered that battery replacements were very rare, with only about 1.5 percent of EVs needing a replacement – and almost all of those replacements were under warranty."
https://www.greencars.com/expert-insights/research-shows-ev-battery-replacements-very-rare
#ElectricVehicles
#EVbatteries
Whirlybird@aussie.zone 6 days ago
A small study by a pro EV company, reported on by a pro EV site…yeah nah lol.
The warranty is what matters. Unless an EV is 10% of its sale price, if it’s even within 2 years of its warranty on the battery ending it’s no deal. Might it last 10 years past the warranty retaining ~70% of its capacity? Sure. It’s possible. Could it also just drop dead at the drop of a hat, or capacity just drop like a rock? Absolutely. One of those scenarios will cost you almost the price of a new car, the other won’t.
DropBear@theblower.au 6 days ago
Yet you can only assert your belief @Whirlybird
Even a little trustworthy evidence would enhance your credibility.
"... generally, EV batteries are designed to last the lifetime of the vehicle ..."
https://www.whichcar.com.au/advice/when-do-ev-batteries-need-to-be-replaced
I can keep providing references all day, if you want.
#ElectricVehicles
#EVbatteries
Whirlybird@aussie.zone 6 days ago
And that lifetime is what, 8 years according to their warranty?
You can provide references for whatever you want, but like I said - the warranty is what matters. If the manufacturer warranty is for x years, anything after that is not guaranteed and is a massive risk because of how expensive the replacement is. This isn’t hard to understand.
You might think there’s no risk in buying an electric car that’s out of warranty (or approaching the end of its warranty), but the tens of thousands of dollars you’d have to pay to replace the battery 1/2/5 years down the track says otherwise.
kudra@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
Correct, new EVs have even better batteries than first gen too. My first EV I replaced the battery, but not because they’re was anything wrong with it: that battery likely would have lasted at least twice as long, but an enterprising engineer created a battery upgrade that doubled the original range in the same footprint, and we can expect further improvements in batteries, so I expect to upgrade again in future, maybe 10-15 years, and double the range again.
Old EV batteries can be reused and make ideal off grid house batteries.