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SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 1 week agoI don’t think money or any form of it is the only way to reward people for their work (not that all people need a reward in that sense). I think that is it is might be because of this current system showing that the only way to be rewarded is through monetary compensation.
Also, I’m going to quibble here that the only reason why a lot of jobs currently done require a ‘reward’ is because of the conditions under which people labour, remove those conditions and there will be less of a need for incentives to keep people doing things they either don’t like, or do like but not under such conditions such as long hours or under a strict hierarchy.
misk@sopuli.xyz 1 week ago
I am a cynical idealist so I don’t think there’s a way that doesn’t involve some sort of a compromise with people who think it should be different. Politics is not a way to determine who’s right or the most ethical but the means of working stuff out among groups with different interests. Maybe we can coalesce on something nice later on but for now we know that people can’t be forced into things they don’t want to be forced into. For now we need to coexist and that requires a common trading framework.
SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 1 week ago
Ah, well we are working from different base assumptions then. I’m not cynical, I’m an optimist but yes still an idealist.
I don’t really get your point about politics as politics is everything so yes, it is a way to determine who’s right or the most ethical as well as many other things, I think you might be referring to only electoral politics, otherwise I’m not sure how you could be seeing politics as a way to not determine that.
I disagree, people are forced into things they do not want to do all the time.
Maybe, but it could be a lor fairer than it currently is, my hope is one day it won’t be necessary though or at least not to the same degree that it is now.
misk@sopuli.xyz 1 week ago
There is nothing in a liberal democracy that prevents people from voting in their own self interest and that’s how it is in general as a consequence of combining liberal democracies with selfish ideologies like neoliberalism. Given this reality we can’t use politics to enforce ethics because people will vote you out and a politician should be accountable to his voters, otherwise they start to vote for whackos like Trump out of spite which makes things even worse. That’s just the rule of the game unless you’re for some kind of progressive autocracy or worse.
This probably sounds like I think we should dump women and LGBT folk under the bus but I truly believe that if we improved livelihood for people they wouldn’t need to look for people they can abuse to feel better about their own situation. Left should be emancipating groups of people to give them the power for self determination so that they can organise against the oppression. Given systemic constraints left can’t fight this fight for them.
Importantly, left should never abandon wins they scored for women but things like abortion became like a political Afghanistan. In my country left „fights” (very feebly) for this right despite women not being for it. More young women vote for the far right than any left wing party. Why make them happy by force? It’s not what they want and moralising left detracts from real goal of emancipating new groups and allowing them self-determination.
People who know me long would chuckle seeing me write this but this is a result of wasting too much time with nothing to show for it. And I think there are people who agitate conflict across this line because they know it won’t achieve anything. They also know that keeping this conflict going makes their wealth safe.
I don’t get attached to details on the account of ADHD-like condition but also a track record of details not mattering over long spans of time. Our plans and expectations turn out to be silly all the time.