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Over 60% of the economy by GDP including all essential services, is owned by the ~~people~~ state

FTFY

If the state represented the people, why does the Chinese government kill workers who try to organize so damn much? It’s because the state =/= the people. What you described is just capitalism where the state is one of the capitalist class. The difference with the US is that the US government is owned by the capitalist class rather than being one of it.

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yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Incorrect, the barrier to entry for the government is much lower in China than say, the US or ‘democratic’ states. China doesn’t arbitrarily kill citizens, their police aren’t even armed. What does happen is they’re arrested and sentenced to education and reform, which does include how to redress complaints. All public workers are unionized in China, and there is no barrier nor suppression of private unions in the private sector.

The state in China objectively isn’t the capitalist class they don’t own capital. With public ownership of the means of production (in any public sector industry) it is by definition socialist. By every definition socialist.

Your confusion on this matter comes from the fact western sources do not publish how the Chinese government works or how easy it is to become a member and participate. The state equals the people, anyone can join he government and take on the boring admin work, there are checks at every level to reduce corruption and no one person ever has absolute power. Technically “the evil dictator Xi Jinping” could be ousted with a single vote, or multiple lower regional votes. The same is true for all positions. Appointments are democratically placed, so corruption is minimal. 400 million people would have to be unified and absolutely corrupt for the state to be corrupt. And that’s really hard to do. The US can’t even get 100 million people to agree to any single thing.

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- vvilld@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  With public ownership of the means of production (in any public sector industry) it is by definition socialist. By every definition socialist.
  
  It’s only socialist if you accept the framing that the state (ie the government) is the manifestation of the will of the people. This is demonstrably untrue in China given how regularly they suppress protest movements and attempts by workers to organize. They are NOT the will of the people. They are the will of the party, which has always been the case in every state communist country that has ever existed.
  
  And I don’t get my information on China from western media sources. I get it from people I know who live in China and from my own experiences in China.
  
  anyone can join he government and take on the boring admin work, there are checks at every level to reduce corruption and no one person ever has absolute power. Technically “the evil dictator Xi Jinping” could be ousted with a single vote, or multiple lower regional votes. The same is true for all positions. Appointments are democratically placed, so corruption is minimal.
  
  Replace “China” with “The US” here and it sounds exactly like it comes out of a grade school civics textbook in the US describing the American political system. This is the exact same line every single elected government around the world uses to describe how democratic they are.
  
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