What about people who can’t relocate because they’re poor, don’t have dual citizenship, have nowhere to go, have felonies, etc?
We know it will get worse. Our persons are already owned by the US.
The people who think they’ll be safe from it won’t help us entrench, and people who already got out won’t help us get out.
ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
If I was still an American (I gave up my citizenship after Dubya shat the USA Patriot Act) and part of an at-risk group - and there are many - I would seriously consider emigrating at this point.
Don’t do like the jews who stayed in Germany after 1933 thinking it can’t get any worse: it will and you don’t want to be stuck in the US when it’s too late to leave.
Faith_Bubbles@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Delvin4519@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
and part of an at-risk group - and there are many
Are there any other “at risk groups” that may likely be targeted but are not commonly talked about or targeted at the moment? I know trans, non male/female, green card residents, and naturalized citizens are some of the most at risk groups.
Cheeto has blamed aspergers/autism on vaccinations (?), so I’m not too sure yet whether cheeto plans to go after disabled/neurodiverse/aspergers people next. I have already seen “disabilities” and “disability” on the “banned words” list in the New York Times article about “banned words” at agencies in Washington.
I suspect that if the PRC goes after Taiwan, then that may put any ethnic Chinese in the U.S. into an at risk group.
The problem is that I’m not sure the latter I mentioned qualify for political asylum just yet, aside from the former that are targeted at the moment.
Which at risk groups should plan to leave right now aside from the most obvious?
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Curious, what country did you go to, and what eligibility requirement did you meet?
Because AFIAK, there only a few ways:
Be a rich person that have money to invest, usually like $500,000 USD at minimum, some countries requiring more (I don’t got that money lol)
Be a “skilled worker” (nope)
Have close relatives in a target country (Most of my close relatives are in the US or China)
Marry someone? (Same-Sex marriage laws in the EU makes it easier, but still… I’m not exactly attractive)
Claim jus sanguinis in some country? (The only option I got is PRC, and that’s not a fun place to be)
My parents have a small bussiness here, and like, we can’t just thanos snap and move everything.
The only advantage I would have is being Han Chinese so I could blend in and I’m not a minority group that’d get genocided, but I’d still have to shut up and not criticize the government, and if they find out about the shit I’ve been saying while in the US, I’m fucked either way.
So basically, I can stay in the US and just shut up and don’t criticize the government. (And pray that no holocaust v2 happens.)
Or I can try claiming jus sanguinis in PRC and hope they don’t know or don’t care about the stuff I’ve been saying in the US, and I also have to shut up and don’t criticize the government.
These are my most realistic options.
EU is very unrealistic. Canada is also similar, and about get invaded. Everywhere else is instability and/or authoritarianism.
US being nominally a democracy isn’t gonna help with political asylum applications, and by the time the EU takes it seriously, the orders would be closed.
Varyk@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
that sounds like you’re talking about permanent immigration.
another easy way to permanently immigrate is to move a place on a tourist or digital nomad visa, and then stay there legally or otherwise until you’re allowed to apply for citizenship.
spain and portugal require about $40,000 a year for their digital nomad visas.
The thing is, it’s even easier to move without changing citizenship and you can still stick it to the US government.
if you don’t change citizenship, and you live outside of the US 11 months out of the year, you don’t have to pay taxes on earned income. so you’re not supporting the current administration.
The cheapest golden visa is $75,000 for the whole family in the Philippines, btw, not 500k.
I still wouldn’t pay that.
I travel full time, you can easily get 3 to 6 month visas in a bunch of countries, Visa-Free travel in the others, live permanently abroad, legally avoid US taxes and enjoy a much lower cost of living in countries that aren’t tearing themselves and their constitution apart.
ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
I lived in many countries. The one I went to when I left the US was the UK.
You missed mine 🙂 I had dual citizenship. I simply gave one up.
starlinguk@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Marrying someone means nothing. They’re taking people with green cards who are married to Americans and are making them disappear.
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I think you’re mistaken. I mean like marrying a EU citizen in order to obtain EU Citizenship.
I’m already a US citizen.
starlinguk@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There are European countries that don’t allow you to have dual citizenship.
Most European countries also don’t give citizenship to people marrying someone from their country. For example, in Germany you have to live there for 3 years, pass a German citizenship test and pass a B1 language test. In the UK it’s pretty much the same, but the citizenship test is virtually impossible and the entire process costs a bloody fortune. And you don’t get your money back if you get rejected.
ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
Remember that many jews said the same thing in Germany before the war, until they realized it really was time to get out of Dodge and they couldn’t.
Delvin4519@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Australia and NZ also exist, those countries are likely fine in that no major global trade routes go through there (unlike the Arctic), so that mitigates the risk of war over there. Those I’ve read somewhere on r/IWantOut that some countries like Australia have a list of medical conditions that would mean one is not allowed to emigrate there.
England/the UK I haven’t read much, but that’s about as far as one can go, aside from Canada; to go elsewhere means learning a new language is outright required
I’m in a similar position as OP, and trying to leave with someone else would be even more trickier. Even Canada is very limited in how many family members/friends/relatives that one can sponsor or emigrate with.
I just hope any one country will start allowing asylum seekers to get out before it’s too late, but I won’t hold my breath given that everywhere in the developed world seems to have a housing crisis all at once.
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Ah shit, here I go again
This time, I don’t have the advantage if being a kid and it was 10x easier to learn a new language as a kid. I mean, I’m so good at English, my classmates say they don’t hear any accents. I’m practically a native English speaker.
If I were to move, the language thing is gonna make me cry flashback to spanish class in middle school / high school 😓
Delvin4519@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah, it’s pretty dire. Those aformentioned countries are the only places in which to go where learning a new language isn’t necessary to get permanent citizenship.
To get permanent citizenship in any other country generally requires fluency in the native local language is pretty much all cases.
Even with Canada, since I didn’t take French in middle or high school, that means Quebec is pretty much off the table for me, unless I go through the hassle of learning French as an adult.
Even if Canada could have a threat of invasion from the south, I do not think it would likely succeed, as there are at least 5 border states that are blue/democrat, and Canada would likely get help from other countries. Perhaps Mexico may start a second front from the south siding with Canada, so that there’s 2 fronts to deal with? Canada does have the city of Edmonton located pretty far from the US border, so it is not required to live adjacent to the US border in Canada. I would say that fleeing to Canada is about the same risk as fleeing to Finland or Estonia, and the latter two are in the EU.
starshipHighwayman69@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Canada is about to get invaded?
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Maybe I’m exaggerating, but haven’t you heard about the current US administration’s threats against Canada, Greenland, and Panama?
All they need is an excuse to start the war.
starshipHighwayman69@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
All bullshit the real war is at home. Your safe for the next 10 years… After that…