Their only real shot at staying housed without a bunch of other retired and poverty stricken roommates is to have already paid off a home. Their financial situation is very likely to never significantly improve again for the rest of their lives.
I dunno why you think old people who didn’t save enough for retirement should automatically get to live a good life by making the housing market worse for younger people. When you’re poor, life sucks, that’s how it is.
What’s the sense in forcing them out of their home
To free up housing stock and keep liquidity and supply in the housing market. To undo the crystallization we see in the market with old people clutching to their houses with all their might. To reduce the overwhelming cost of purchasing ones first home.
Sometimes, when you can’t afford something, you need to sell it and get a cheaper version. When that thing is a house, sometimes you need to move away. I see no reason why old people should be exempt from this.
AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
Bruh they’re on less than $2k/month. They aren’t living it up. That’s $24k/year. That’s a $10/hour full time job. That’s poverty wages.
There are 28 vacant homes per homeless person in the US. It’s not old folks wanting to live in the homes they spent decades in. It’s corporate landlords and bad zoning laws.
Only because we let the rich condemn us to it. Productivity is at an all time high. We’ve basically conquered scarcity. The only real reason to continue allowing poverty is to keep forcing us to serve the owner class.
See above on how this isn’t their fault.
But they only can’t afford it because of taxes. They literally managed to afford the entire house and all the maintenance on it. They can afford the house until we decided our elderly deserve to live on poverty wages while being taxed on their housing. I’ve already shown that it doesn’t even have to be that nice a house. It could very easily be a mediocre house that used to be rural and just got consumed by urban sprawl. So now, in their old age, you want to force them out of that home, which means they’ll probably be forced out of their community, which means they’ll lose their support network. Which will really fuck them.
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
You think the government just takes taxes and burns it? Taxes are required for government to function. Saying “they only can’t afford it because of taxes” is as silly as saying “I only can’t afford a new car because of how much it costs”.
Corporate landlords, while scum, have little to do with the housing crisis. And yes, it is zoning laws, but it’s also old people wanting to clutch to homes they shouldn’t be able to afford anymore.
If taxes were fair, there would be far more housed people. The old retired people could sell their million dollar home and move out to the crappy shithole with cheap houses and no jobs that you apparently want young working people to somehow live in. AND, the retired people would spend their money THERE and make that place less of a shithole. AND, the increased housing stock would lower prices and help counteract the very problem you’re talking about - high taxes due to high home valuations.
AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip 5 weeks ago
Lmfao old people living in their homes is a bigger problem than corporate landlords? That’s absolutely ludicrous. And you want to keep harping on these expensive ass houses when I already demonstrated that you can spend half your Social Security on a barely over median value home AND agreed with you that it shouldn’t apply to particularly lavish homes. You’re not interested in facts. You’ve found your enemy to hate, and somehow, you chose elderly retired people instead of the moneyed interests routinely fucking us all over. I’d devote the time to explaining why that’s wrong and providing evidence, but you’ve clearly demonstrated that your clown ass will just ignore it.
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
SPECIFICALLY concerning the abysmal lack of housing, yes. Not generally. Don’t twist my words.
And these precious poor old homeowner people you keep defending ARE MILLIONAIRES. Fuck em. They’re dragons sitting on their hoards, and the fact that it’s a smaller hoard than the corpo fucks does NOT make them our friends or allies or deserving of our pity. Their greed is making things worse for all of us.
So what they want to live in their community? So does Zuckerburg, and we’d be well within our rights to drag him out of his home and onto the street. Taxes are your debt that is owed to the community, and everyone who doesn’t want to contribute their fair share, based on the wealth they have, can get fucked. No exceptions just because they’re old. Pay your damn taxes.