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Comment on Saturday SOTD Thread - February 8th, 2025 (#607) [Atlas Shaves Edition]

walden@sub.wetshaving.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

February 9, 2025

Brush: AP Shave Co. Handle w/26mm Maggard SHD
Razor: Blackland Era - Level 3 SB
Blade: Personna 74 (16)
Lather: Maurer & Wirtz - Tabac - Soap
Post Shave: Pinaud - Clubman Musk - Aftershave

Shave #2 for today.

It came to light that “Neroli” is code for “Orange Blossom”. This brings Tabac into play with the following scent notes:

Musk, Jasmine, Sandalwood, Rose, Tobacco, Oakmoss, Vanilla, Tonka Bean, Lemon, Aldehydes, Lavender, Neroli, Orris Root, Bergamot, Amber, Pine, Carnation

That’s 3 scent notes in common with Elephant Walk.

Now for the elephant (walk) in the room – Neroli vs Orange Blossom. I have two bits of proof that they are the same. Some say they’re different, and that’s their opinion, although I doubt those people have smelled them side-by-side (nor have I).

Proof #1: mamabearssoaps.com/index.php?main_page=product_in…
This soap is called “Orange Blossom”, but the scent notes are “petitgrain, bergamot, neroli, jasmine, sandalwood”. No orange blossom, but it does have neroli.

Proof #2: Image
Our own Catie’s Bubbles says they are the same. Neroli is code for Orange Blossom.

If there’s a legitimate argument that I’m wrong, then I’m ready to accept my fate. It’s been fun! I’ll probably be going out in the next week or so anyway because of travel. I’ve really enjoyed this contest so far. Everyone has been cordial and there have been some great discussions.

Category	∑	Δ
Daily theme soap	0	0
Artisan	4	0
Scenter	6	0
Half of the scent notes	10	2
Airbudding the day	0	0
Cross posting	8	+1
Snitching	1	0
Snitching incorrectly	0	0
Participation Trophy	5	+1
Total	34	+4

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djundjila@sub.wetshaving.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
This is one shady line of argument my friend!

There are plenty of references to the contrary, including the first one you checked immediately,

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and misquote:

The difference between how neroli and orange blossom smell and why they are referred to with different names, is a result of the process of extraction that is used to obtain the oil from the blooms. Neroli is extracted by steam distillation and orange blossom is extracted via a process of enfleurage (rarely used nowadays due to prohibitive costs) or solvent extraction.

The source of your second “proof”, when asked, agreed that there are differences in potency at least, as you know but leave out. This is part two of your screenshot:

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and your first “proof”, well, that’s just Imhofing. I think you should go back to airbudding.

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- walden@sub.wetshaving.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  Its a shaving competition, not a fancy fragrance competition. The culture in this realm of smells, as shown by my proofs, is to use them interchangeably!
  
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  - djundjila@sub.wetshaving.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    You do you. This seems quite obviously wrong to me.
    
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- walden@sub.wetshaving.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  I believe your claim that I’m breaking a rule is incorrect, and that you should lose all points for the day.
  
  The vibe until yesterday has been great, and I agree with you here.
  
  If Chiseled Face counts for LASSCO, then why can’t Neroli count for Orange Blossom, especially with evidence that it is often used interchangeably?
  
  Either way, our lord and savior @enndeegee@sub.wetshaving.social has reliably and consistently said “if that’s the consensus”. I don’t think there is a consensus one way or the other, which is unfortunate, but also means that no rule has been broken. In discord there seemed to be a lot of excitement that Tabac was acceptable, followed by one or two people saying they disagree, followed by some people getting scared and taking an airbud. Proof was found that supports both opinions… therefore no consensus.
  
  Also, unrelated, what is imhofing? I can’t find anything online about it.
  
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  - djundjila@sub.wetshaving.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    
    If Chiseled Face counts for LASSCO, then why can’t Neroli count for Orange Blossom, especially with evidence that it is often used interchangeably?
    
    This is a misrepresentation. Ron is an artisan who made both soaps. The brands don’t matter. Ron counts, not Chiseled Face. Just reading the rules, no trick, no interpretation.
    
    Also, unrelated, what is imhofing?
    
    “Disproving” something with a bogus argument. Senator Imhofe threw a snowball in the capitol to prove that it’s cold outside and therefore global warming didn’t exist. You showed evidence of two people conflating neroli and orange blossom, when that doesn’t mean anything. The two substances are produced from the same ingredients, but differently. Scotch whiskey and Bavarian beer have the same ingredients too, are they the same?
    
    Often used interchangeably
    
    Ok, but that isn’t the question, is it?
    
    I believe your claim that I’m breaking a rule is incorrect, and that you should lose all points for the day.
    
    Really? Low blow
    
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    walden@sub.wetshaving.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    ❤️
    
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