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Comment on I am in the US and its gotten very political but as pretty much a peon do I just tune the stuff out thinking its fear mongering? Or should I closely pay attention to it?

nifty@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

Deportations have happened under other presidents as well, so from what I can tell this is all being covered in great detail as part of some media campaign.

cato.org/…/deportation-rates-historical-perspecti…

The anti-DEI motivation seems thoughtless at first, but then when you look at it really it seems the politicians don’t like the CRT and Neo-Marxist ideology associated with DEI. Makes sense, America has never been about Marxism or Socialism.

newdiscourses.com/…/marxist-roots-of-dei-workshop…

I mean, people should have some resource for legal immigration, but a nation is allowed sovereign control over their immigration policies.

So, the whole reaction on the left seems a tad alarmist maybe, but as others have said keep paying attn but don’t let it consume your life or senses.

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gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Oh, hey, look, a misinformed idiot/Nazi supporter!

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- nifty@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  lol how? Anti-immigration is not inherently racism. All countries have some sort of immigration control.
  
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TheBeege@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
You assume the actors in the system act in good faith and that the system’s incentives are well designed. It is not.

What kinds of people want to join the organization responsible for keeping foreigners out? How many of those groups are racists that don’t actually care about the citizenship part? How do you measure the success of this organization?

When you start asking these kinds of questions, you start to see the cracks. Additionally, when you look at US immigration policies compared to other developed countries, they’re quite harsh. I emigrated to Korea. It’s quite easy if I have a college education and some work experience. I benefit Korea’s economy. My Korean friends who want to go to the US have a totally different experience.

Additionally, you need to look at the US’s history with regards to race. See the Japanese internment camps of WW2 or the fire bombing of Tulsa, OK. We don’t necessarily distinguish between actual citizens and foreigners.

You can also look at how illegal immigration is managed in the US. Look at Ron DeSantis in Florida. He spooked illegal immigrants in Florida with his crackdown on immigration. The orange farmers started panicking because there were no workers. The oranges were rotting. Did DeSantis prop up the orange industry and encourage them to hire Americans? The good faith act? Fuck no! He rolled back the crackdown, and the illegal immigrants continued to be used for basically slave labor. America doesn’t want legal immigration. They just want a group with no rights to beat the shit out of when they’re feeling bad and to use for labor that citizens don’t want to do.

Your argument of people behaving in good faith with regards to immigration doesn’t have a lot of evidence to support it when looking at history.

The right thing to do would be to pursue immigration reform first, give time for current illegal immigrants to become legal, crackdown on the employers of illegal immigrants, and then start enforcing immigration law more strongly. But surprise! It ain’t happening.

Of course, my comment assumes you’re trying to argue in good faith, which also may be naive. Let’s see

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- nifty@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Please, how many non-Korean politicians are in their congress? Korea is also so ethically homogeneous, so it’s not even fair to ask that question. I care about civil rights and liberties of minorities, my problem is that America is constantly getting fucked by one type of propaganda or another because it has an actual democracy (in at least the blue and purple states).
  
  Yes, some American southern states actually do systemic racism type things, that’s undeniable if you objectively look at their policies. America, however, is not a monolith.
  
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