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ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

I don’t think being poor and brown should make you immune from having to follow the law.

Or white. Or President of the United States…

Indeed you’re correct. My point is, due process - hell, even the simply physics of moving groups of people in a somewhat efficient and cost-effective way - implies holding people captive in places they’re desperate to leave. That’s called detention. And when detention centers are full - and if the Orange Utan really follows through with his promise, they will be full very soon - then concentration camps will spring up. They’ll have other names - temporary repatriation centers, processing centers… but that’s what they’ll be. And it’ll be a fucking stain on the United states.

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realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
It’s not a concentration camp unless it specifically targets:

political prisoners or politically targeted demographics, such as members of national or minority ethnic groups

Maybe you consider “criminal” to be a demographic? I don’t, maybe that’s where are disagreement lies here.

That said I’ve generally opposed mass deportations in the United States. I don’t think they’re wrong to do at all, but I think it’s more important to secure the border, and it would be a better use of our resources to give the illegals who are here a path to citizenship that they may follow so long as they do not break any additional laws. If people here are going to work and be peaceful, there’s nothing to be lost by letting them live here and have full citizenship IMHO, even if it would technically be more just to boot them back to where they came from.

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- ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Oh I see! It’s a problem of semantics.
  
  Well now, I’m sure the people held in miserable conditions in those not-concentration-camps will be happy to know they’re not being held in concentration camps…
  
  Also, people are innocent until proven guilty. Your “criminals” held in not-concentration-camps are not criminals until they get their day in court. Siince Trump promised millions of deportation, assuming due process is followed, they’ll wait in limbo in not-concentration-camps for a mighty long time. And if due process is not followed, which is more likely, they’ll eventually be expelled from the US without having been convicted of anything.
  
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  - realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    The conditions shouldn’t be miserable, so you misunderstand my position slightly.
    
    Also, people are innocent until proven guilty. Your “criminals” held in not-concentration-camps are not criminals until they get their day in court.
    
    Oh I see! It’s a problem of semantics.
    
    Siince Trump promised millions of deportations, assuming due process is followed, they’ll wait in limbo in not-concentration-camps for a mighty long time.
    
    What part of the process causes this to take a long time? That needs to be identified and streamlined.
    
    I’ll add this: people held in concentration camps in Nazi Germany were all deemed criminals by the Third Reich. Not one of them was innocent according to the Nuremberg laws. Yet those jails furiously look like concentration camps don’t you think?
    
    See I still don’t know if you’re trolling or not
    
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