Comment on Idiot thinks a woman should be able to murder a child after its born, at any age. Her mom should abort her right away

• Sal@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

  It is definitely a logical extreme - but of what argument? If the child is already born, then you are no longer dealing with a woman having a choice over what is happening to her body. If you have removed this constraint, then the argument is just about a dogmatic respect for a 'woman's choice', and this is not the logical extreme. You can go even further. It is a woman's choice if she wants to blow up the entire world using nuclear weapons, so we should make it possible for any woman to have access to the nuclear deployment system. We need to add constraints to move the boundary of the logical extreme, and even then we will usually be able to find logical extremes that are, well, too extreme. So that's why we as a society need to negotiate the limits... I don't think many people will agree with this woman's strange assertion that it is O.K. to kill a two year old child, and I really hope that not even the woman herself would agree with that limit if she stops to think for 30 seconds....

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  • masterofballs@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    It is a woman’s choice if she wants to blow up the entire world using nuclear weapons, so we should make it possible for any woman to have access to the nuclear deployment system.

    Lol, Repeal the nineteenth! Only way to save the world from nukes.

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    • Sal@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      Putin's next move: hormone replacement therapy and American naturalization.

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  • iamtanmay@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    I meant the 9 month debate. No pro abortion activist is willing to say when the cutoff should be (so they don't get eaten by other wokes). Biden himself supported abortion upto birth. This is the most extreme view that the govt is behind.

    A lot of people who didn't pay attention thought that people were arguing about 1st or 2nd trimester abortion. Hearing this idiot, may just have made those Folx google the limit. I didn't mean realistically, an abortion of a 2 year old.

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    • Sal@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      I am not following the debate because I am not from the US, but I think politicians are very good at making their actual positions vague enough to leave room for interpretation. The laws tend to be written using very specific language and defining the limits precisely, whereas the politician is more like a 'marketer' using broad generalized statements to sell an idea or show allegiance to a group (in this case the pro-choice voters). Then again, this room for interpretation is weaponized by the other political team by using the worst interpretation possible.

      My (not very educated) guess is that Biden's group position is that under some circumstances, such as very high risk of death during child birth, it should be allowed to choose an abortive method that is less risky to the mother, and to allow this you can't code a hard limit on abortion into the law, you can only encode that specific conditions have to be met (which the Roe v. Wade decision very clearly already does).

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      • iamtanmay@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

        Yes, you are right. Even an average politician wouldn't say something so directly to destroy his polling.... but for some reason the current US admin has gone extreme left on every issue very directly - saying kids don't belong to parents but teachers (actual quote from Biden), 9 month unlimited abortion (direct quote from his press secretary, and she reiterated it also), calling conservatives white supremacists etc.... they have gone ALL IN on every issue.

        The result as you would expect is completely dividing not just independents, but the moderates in their own base. Last year's Gubernatorial elections in deeply Liberal heartland states like New Jersey were an indicator, and things have gotten much worse since (even deeper approval drops). Generic Conservative leads by 34 points Generic Liberal in battleground states this year - SO FAR. Senate and Gubernatorial elections this year will be a total Red wash

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      • iamtanmay@wolfballs.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

        Here's another yesterday - Mayor of New York. They really are going ALL IN on the crazy train:

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